Monday, October 10, 2005

Is Mark Elf anything but a third rate antisemite?
Various quotes about Mark Elf

Mark Elf - Censors what he can't fight!
Anti-Zionism or Antisemitism: You make the call
Apparently, the Student Union at the University of London's School of Oriental and African Studies has been taking lessons from the Mark Elf School of Debate, where opposing views are censored. According the Guardian, the Union set a policy last November which made the elimination of "foreign occupation, apartheid, [and] Zionism" as a prerequisite for peace a fundamental belief of the union. Hosting an official from the Israeli embassy would compromise this, [Kavita Meelu, co-president of the union responsible for its societies] said in an email.

Mark Elf is a Stalinist!
Stalinists of the Israeli-Palestinian discussion

Well, Mark Elf, the anti-Zionist of Jews Sans Frontieres, has taken to erasing my comments when I dare to take him on at any length. Of course, he has a right to do so; it's his blog, his propaganda. That's not going to stop me from losing all respect for him in the process, though; one who erases views one disagrees with does not have the courage of his convictions. If it were me, I'd love having people with contrary views post comments. Perhaps I will take his advice and simply post more on my own blog, which he hopefully won't try to erase. Mark can have his closed-minded echo chamber and cover his ears when he hears something he doesn't like. Just like a three-year-old.

Jews Sans Frontieres is a fairly typical example of what anyone right of radical left can expect at an anti-Zionist blog; most of the posters are nasty people, and logic is not their strong suit. They are retrogade when it comes to history, and they are often not even up on their own arguments.

Mark Elf - Jew with head up his tail
Mark Elf provides the gooood Joooooo role at his site Jews Sans Fronteires. It should be renamed Jew with head up his tail for his monofocused idiotic content that is focused on Israel and providing cover for real anti-semites.

"Mark Elf is a non-Israeli,anti Zionist Jew who has done as much to show that being a Jew and being a Zionist are very seperable and that there is absolutely no moral contradiction in being pro one and anti the other."

This statement should tell you all one needs to know about Mark Elf . If a person who
is a fan of Simon Jones a key contributor of the virulently Anti Semitic Jewish Tribal review likes a Jew there is a reason. As we have said here before left wing utopians are not Jews, Americans or whatever other ethnic group they belong to. Far Left utopians are seditious by nature and are heirs to the Marxist cult of death and 100,000,000.


Blogger Oscar said...

"It should be renamed Jew with head up his tail for his monofocused idiotic content that is focused on Israel and providing cover for real anti-semites."

Yes, here is the pro-Zionist intellectual we've all been looking for!

6:07 PM, October 10, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

There are several intellectuals with better credentials that know the Zionist ideals are neither racist nor morally bankrupt.

At least not more racist or morally bankrupt than any other national movement.

But the Jews do have a history of the 'other' attempting to wipe out the Jews for centuries.

8:26 PM, October 10, 2005  
Blogger Oscar said...

... and Mark Elf is one of them? You truly are humorous. So who is a good Zionist to listen to? Alan Dershowitz, who plagarized The Case for Israel from a book that only Zionists read anyway? Who knows? I think anti-Zionists have a monopoly on intellegensia, but who knows, with Campus Watch and all these other watchful organizations which you apparently follow.

But honestly, is it not morally bankrupt to attack an anti-Zionist for being anti-Zionist (without any supporting evidence but a measly quote from some blog which, in turn, provides no evidence -- not that there is any!)? I think you should think long and hard about what you are doing, it seems hypocritical.

5:02 PM, October 11, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Mark Elf is one of what?

It appears he is using the fact that he was accidentally born to jewish parents as a qualification to oppose Jewish ideals which happen to include zionism.

Morally bankrupt to attack an anti-zionist for being an anti-Zionist without proof? Perhaps you meant to say antisemite?

You attach a high price for attacking an anti-zionist. Perhaps it is unseemly, perhaps it is a waste of time to attack an anti-Zionist without proof of his antisemitism. But morally bankrupt?

Regardless, there is more than enough proof coming from Elf's own blog to garner him his "antisemite" credentials. I am merely posting some of the more interesting opinions of others about Elfboy.

And it certainly isn't hypocritical.

7:07 AM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Janice said...

Zionism is the lowest common demoninator.
Not all Jews are Zionists
Not all Zionists are Jews

10:30 AM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

All Jews, who identify themselves religiously as Jews, are zionists.

Those Jews who do not are identifying themselves as people who were accidentily born to Jewish parents. This their opinion on the matter has nothing to do with Judaism.

And the vast, vast, majority of zionists are christian.

11:32 AM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Oscar said...

The thing it, it is too easy to disprove Zionists. "Israel is the victim" blah blah blah. All you have to do is cite fatality statistics, oh yeah, and that big one, ISREAL is the one occupying Palestinian territory. You need to escape your misunderstandings and look at the world from a more... intelligent position, ie, one that involves rational thinking.

12:12 PM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Oscar said...

ps, would you call these anti-Zionists "accidentally Jewish"?????

12:13 PM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

They are not anti-Zionists. They are zionists. I would call you accidental.

That you have a fundimental misunderstanding does not place a lein on me.

Israel is occupying Israel and the additional disputed territories is won in a defensive war. There was no palestinian government or entity capable of ruling the arabs in those disputed territories in 1967. Except Jorda, who refused to take them back.

2:23 PM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Oscar said...

You like to make things up. The Jewish religion says that the Jews may not have a homeland until the messaiah comes. Now, unless Hitler was your messaiah, you are in a bit of a pickle in trying to peddal the gross lie that religious Jews are Zionists.

1967 wasn't defensive.

2:47 PM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Oscar said...

...sorry... check this out:

The only Zionists they could muster are Hitchens, Dershowitz, and Michael Oren. Need I say more.

2:49 PM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

I like to make things up? Judaism does not require the Messiah to appear for the Jews to regain their homeland. That is just a tiny, tiny, minority opinion of a strange group of zionists.

Even the UN deemed 1967 to be defensive.

8:34 PM, October 12, 2005  
Blogger Janice said...

Er I think you'll find quite a number of religious jews are not Zionist.
Jewsagainstzionism for one example

9:03 PM, October 12, 2005  
Anonymous radio said...

As with many beliefs, ideas or situations there will always be dissenters.

The motives of some Jews opposed to Zionism may have been from their view of a higher principle which takes precedent etc, there are any number of possible explanations, but that is not really a big issue today, politically speaking, we live in a post-Zionist world.

Israel has been established and is not going away.

The questions really should be:

why do some people align themselves with holocaust deniers, neo-nazis, Jew-baiters, nihilists, extremists, etc in attacking Jews and Israel?

There are so naive about the motives of their would-be ‘allies’?

12:25 PM, October 13, 2005  
Blogger Oscar said...

Someone who sticks to an opinion as if it is a fact is not worth it.

4:47 PM, October 13, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Janice, all religious Jews are zionists. That some have a strange zionistic belief is the beauty and curse of a religion that allows dissent, unlike Islam and catholicism.

As for many, the group you pulled out are less than 1/10 of 1 percent of the Jewish people, hardly quite a number.

9:03 PM, October 13, 2005  
Anonymous Mooser said...

After much study and reflection, I have come to the conclusion that there is only one real, non-accidental, authentic, real McCoyowitz Jew left in the world.

The rest are treyfe!

What I want to know, Ibrahamav (if that is your real name) is this:
Is it you, or me?

If you can not provide the proper bona fides, or in the case of an AKC pooch, the proper bona fidos, I must assume it is me. And I give you fair warning Ibrahamav (c,mon, what kind of a name is that for a real Jew, I will know what to do about it.

2:12 PM, October 14, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Doesn't seem like you studied or reflected on anything. Do you just crave attention?

9:34 PM, October 15, 2005  
Blogger beakerkin said...

I wrote the quote about Mark Elf with his head up his tail. The only religious Jews that are against Israel are the Satmar Sect and the Neturai Karta they represent less then 1% of religious Jews.

Most rabid anti zionists are Communists. The sheer comedy value of far left types tallking about morality of Zionism is stagering.

The progressive response to Islam
" We only need 1,000,000 Afghans to build socialism" said by the comodant of a progessive concentration camp in Afghanistan where the butchers of Marx admitted to killing 12,0000.

The other option is to place them in cattle cars and send them to die in a frozen wasteland along with Balts and a range of others.

Yes the far left should first investigate its own history.If one kills 100,000,000 based on class it is a day at the beach.

12:57 PM, October 16, 2005  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

There is a remarkable link between ultra-liberalism and mass murder.

12:34 PM, October 18, 2005  

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