Monday, December 11, 2006

Is Desert Schmuck an Antisemite? Or just a dumb schmuck?
DesertPeace: "'ANTI SEMITISM.....ANTI SEMITISM.....' The 'cries of wolf' get louder and LOUDER..... but no one is listening.
Abraham Foxman of the ADL would be wise to learn a new song... the one he 'sings' constantly is quite boring.
All this is about a new statement by Jimmy Carter... a statement saying ' that Israeli policy in the West Bank even worse instances of apartheid than once held sway in South Africa.'"

But what did Abe actually say?

The book has sparked strong criticism from Jewish figures in the United States. Abraham H. Foxman,
national director of the Anti-Defamation League, has said that some comments from the former president border on anti-Semitism.

"When you think about the charge that he has made that the Jewish people control the means of communication, it is odious," Foxman was quoted as saying last week. "If the Jews controlled the media, how come he is traveling around the country speaking about this book on talk shows?"

Basically he showed the Carter, failure as a president, is also a failure at telling the truth.

Is that what Desert Schmuck is so upset about?


Blogger BagelUndertheCouch said...

apartheid, wtf...

1:24 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Rather sad for an ex-president and a Nobel (for political purposes only) Peace prize winner to state that the Palestinians have it rougher than the Africans in the former whites only country of South Africa.

7:30 PM, December 11, 2006  
Blogger Anonymous said...


Israel's barrier in Jerusalem causes major upheaval, spurs Arab migration into the city

Associated Press

and to see the Slide show | Walled Jerusalem accompanying the article go to:

My friends, for the Miami Herald, this is ground breaking...please be sure to thank them by writing a very brief letter to the editor to:

Letters to the Editor
FAX: 305-376-8950
MAIL: The Readers' Forum
The Miami Herald
One Herald Plaza
Miami, Fl 33132-1693

I've been interviewed by this AP journalist, Karin LAUB. She is as solid as they come and deserves to be encouraged too.

Tide is turning, but in slow motion,

12:38 AM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It has kept the Palestinian suicide bombers out. More important than the inconvenience of some other palestinians.

12:54 AM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Abu Foxman said...

I read Abraham H. Foxman's Never Again? last week. It was a much better read than I expected. I thought the book was rather good. I got it at a used book store a few weeks ago for I think it was $6 hard cover they had several copies.

2:47 AM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

What store?

5:07 AM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Abu Foxman said...

I’m not sure what the name was. I was in a mall near Buffalo NY a month or so ago and got it at an outlet mall with a used book store around the back. I just came back from Florida the other day and went into books-a-million at the Saw Grass Mall. I didn’t see it there. The book is a few years old.

They did have some other great Judaica reading but I got Relativity By Einstein the special and the general theory. So far so good. Thought provoking and only $7.95.

1:29 PM, December 12, 2006  
Blogger Eurosabra said...

I am very reassured by the recent Israeli Supreme Court decision regarding chisulim memokedim. I wish such things were not done, and I removed myself geographically from the conflict because I was unwilling to countenance them, among other things, unable to bear their effects and the effects of the war. The Supreme Court, however, has affirmed the practice, while insisting on relevant limitations.
However, that does not mean that it does not represent a significant step forward. Moreover, some of the human rights groups involved are not single-issue lobbyists, but care about the rights of ISRAELIS as well. So permit me to say that I feel a little bit better about the rule of law in Israel and the limitation of harm to bystanders. As a former target, and former bystander, I applaud anything that reduces the damage and the bounds of the conflict.

11:35 AM, December 15, 2006  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

It certainly was a welcome decision. I am hopeful that most Israeli citizens abhor the violence and what is done to contain it, while realizing that there is no other realistic choice.

5:03 PM, December 15, 2006  
Blogger Eurosabra said...

So we wind up with Auden again..."the acceptance of guilt in the necessary murder." All of the 20th century's ills in one phrase. Of course, caving in to terror is also immoral. Israel is one of the more interesting moral experiments of the modern world, I guess. Every other power (Britain, France) that successfully fought terror was corrupted by the means.

10:39 AM, December 19, 2006  
Blogger Ibrahamav said...

Have they been corrupted or are they never perfect enough?

1:55 AM, December 20, 2006  
Blogger Eurosabra said...

France in Algeria pretty much wound up with secret police, torture, "disappearances" of citizens and non-citizens alike, jailhouse "suicides", and kidnap and death squads. The resemblance to Pinochet's Chile is astounding, and the Franco-French casualty count comparable (hundreds of thousands of Arabs were killed, imprisoned, etc. but no one was really counting them.)

Britain's track record is equally awful because the effort against Aliyah Bet was folded into the anti-terror campaign and led to the use of military means--assaults on ships, deportation to European DP camps, and internment in Africa--against civilians. The number of victims is unknown but not negligible, surely.

7:53 PM, December 25, 2006  

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