Desert Schmuck promotes hatred of the Israeli people, again.
DesertPeace: "The Israeli electorate was fooled in the last election. The 'new' party, Kadima, founded by the great 'liberal of Israeli democracy' , Ariel 'The Butcher' Sharon, promised withdrawls from the settlements.... promised giving lands back to the Palestinians. Promises, promises..... in reality MORE LIES, MORE LIES!"
Actually, Olmert promised the Israeli people that they would disengage from the Palestinians, set the borders, and abandon the palestinians to their fate and their leadership. No jobs in Israel, no charity form Israel, nothing from Israel. Complete separation.
What happened is that the Arabs, far from taking responsibility for their own in Gaza, decided that Israel's abandonment of Gaza was a sign that the Israelis could be driven off of Jerusalem and proceeded to launch missles and warfare. Olmert had no choice but to cancel the plans to abandon the disputed palestinian territory. This decision was forced by the Palestinians themselves.
Desert Schmuck advertises the he is an "Active Peace/Civil Rights Worker.. Aiming to establish a just and lasting peace between Israel and Palestine," when, in actuality, he is a self hating Jew who desires the destruction of the state of israel as well as the majority of its Jewish population.
posted by Ibrahamav at 9:55 AM
73 Comments:
Ibrahamav:
DesertPeace is someone who I probably despise the most, of anyone on the internet. I have interacted with this 'person' in the past.
My view is that anyone who is an Arab or Muslim has an excuse to hate Jews in that they were brainwashed since birth. But when a Jew hates a Jew, then they choose to engage in this hatred. The hatred is even deeper than when a Muslim hates a Jew. It's like a mother hating a son. It's an abomination.
Just sickening.
ouch, geez. i sympathize with the palestinian people, but they just don't get how the world is...
It is not that they get how the world is, it is that they fail to see that the arab islamic notion of humane treatment is opposed to western civilization's norms.
I've read his blog a little, via Bethlehem Bloggers. Never met him personally, but over the years I've met lots of DesertPeaces. The ISM is full of them.
Unfortunately there seem to be many people who come to this region ostensibly to "help" and yet choose to remain ignorant of even the most basic of facts.
Av, have you been to cutters page recently? She posted a picture of her and Umka. Suffice it to say that Karin is a dream compared to these two birds. I know its rather shalow of me. But OMG. Its true what they say about leftists women appears. YIKES.
Karin? Check out bagel! I'm tempted to call my son. he would make a perfect future Mr. bagel. Their children would look like they were carved from cream cheese.
I am so pleased that Abe thinks we are ugly! We aim to displease creeps in all ways possible!
And, Iby, going around using my name to insult others is probably a criminal activity. It's time to check into that.
cutter you posted it so don't be so sensitive. That photo made me quite happy. It shows that the inner ugliness of you both is visible from the outside as well.
Come on Av bagel is really a guy I think who post that picture of Marilyn to mess with peoples heads. I don’t know that a person carved from cream cheese would be so cute. I think that’s how you get a cutter and almost for sure an Umka.
Carved from Ice Cream now we are talking baby. Cool and Tasty.
Have a Good Shabbos!.
I'm not sensitive, Abe! I think I was quite clear when I said that I am actually very pleased our Semitic "beauty" does nothing for you.
That makes sense. You’re as happy to be ignorant as you are to be ugly. Congratulations!!! BTW have a nice weekend. I’m glad you made it back home safe. I do on occasion enjoy your blog.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA, av, if your son is anything as adorable as you are, he'd make an ideal future mr bagel. can't tell you how hard i'm laughing over this conversation, right now =]
cutter I must have pissed you off why else did you delete my great comments from an old thread. BTW BWAHAHAHAHA!!! I always knew you were a silly fascist. Thanks for proving the point that in your case being ugly isn’t only skin deep. And BWT BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Mary is pleased that she and Nancy are less then pleasing to the eye?
Then she must agree with the Mufti of Austrailia who stated that women deserve to be raped if they are attractive.
And what made you think you were semetic? That is merely a language grouping, not a racial type. Surely you are not that stupid, are you?
Bagel,
Unfortunately, my son is too good looking for his own good. Fortunately, he is very sweet and caring.
And in Florida. Far from the wilds of Idaho.
"That is merely a language grouping, not a racial type. Surely you are not that stupid are you?"
Defintion of semitic: "of or relating to or constituting a subgroup of the Afro-Asiatic language group that includes Arabic, Hebrew, Amharic and Aramaic"
Just WHO is the stupid one here who calls EVERYONE who criticizes the state of Israel or the unholy secular philosophy of Zionism an "ANTI-SEMITE"
You make SUCH a fools of yourselves it's not only laughable, it's downright unbelievable that you can't even remember what you say most of the time.
Open your racist propagandist mouth and stick your own STUPID foot in it.
I guess it's ok after all, because they really just don't like the sound of your language and it has NOTHING to do with your race which you have been able to play for all it's worth. You people are COMPLETE MORONS!!!
No, they are guilty of antisemitism. Of course, there is no such thing as semitism.
To educate the blind stipid masses, of which you are a member, antisemitism is a term coined by a German social scientist to describe the hatred of Jews as a people, rather than as a religion.
Those who practice antisemitism, such as yourself, are antisemites, not anti-semites.
I know you are very stupid so you'll probably miss the subtlety.
I have no idea what DP thinks he is accomplishing, perhaps he really believes that the Israeli peace movement can empower Palestinian alternatives to Hamas. However, I do like the pseudonym DP, considering there is something vaguely pornographic about it and his views: the penetration of Israel by Palestinian suicide bombers and "returnees", the penetration of Palestinian ideology into the Israeli psyche. DP, indeed.
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Now why would the author want to remove his comment?
Simple, your not a man, you have no balls. Can't do nothing but pick on women, I thought you was going to slow me down. It seems to me you are the one slowed down. You don't do a very good job with no balls do you? Are you still wearing a skirt?
wow...this is some pretty violent stuff. here i was thinking i had escaped the craziness of the xanga world...
You let a Christian beat you. My I thought you would be a fighter instead of a women in a skirt. Admit it you have been outed by a Christian. Intelligent thinking is something your lacking.
Outed as what? A crusader against your neo-nazi brand of antisemitism?
Outed as a crusader against your sexist racism where an antisemitic hate-monger is safe from criticism because it happens to be a woman?
Since you censor your blog, like any good nazi, it is not I who have been outed, but you.
Have another delusional day!
By the way, notice how your Bavarian Nazi failed, again, to ban me?
I am not worried about her> That shows how you pick on women and take it you still wear skirts with no balls. You have been outed. And you haven't slowed me down one bit. You have been apparently. Can't get the guts to come to my blog. Check it out. the petetion to hold Israel accountable will be posted today. Please come by and sign.
act decent no name calling and you would not have been outed. Now you can take your balless body and forget it. Have fun with your facsism friends.
Feel free to sign the petition, it has been posted or just copy and paste this link to sign. Holding Israel Accountable.
http://www.democracyinaction.org/dia/organizationsORG/cnif/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2676
Wonderful isn’t it Av how your garden variety racist like chet can’t even spell in the one language he speaks correctly and has no hint of what grammar is. My wife calls the obviously undereducated people like him people that speak American not English.
He also seems to be overly focused on your balls. Must be that he wants to play with them or something like that. A racist and a homophobe you never see that combination anywhere do you.
I’m sorry but I must agree with him on the point of Israel being held accountable however. Any nation that resists the Arabian hordes should be held to task for it and given some sort of recognition for their bravery. In Israel’s case they should also be given some sort of prize for dealing with hordes in such a humane way while facing such barbaric and aggressive enemies.
People like chet make me embarrassed for American’s. He grows up in a country where education is free and there is only 1 official spoken language and yet he never had the capacity to learn it. Then he uses his under developed mind to misinterpret basic facts like who are the aggressive parties in the Middle East. Worse yet he thinks because he puts a picture of a bird up as his gravtar and listens to John Lennon that he is some sort of peacenik.
You know chet just because you hate Jews doesn’t mean they aren’t doing the right and just thing fighting for their continued existence. I don’t suppose you have ever read the HamAss charter or the HisBaloney manifesto have you? These are groups that are only interested in the extinction of the Jews as a race and western civilization on the whole and little else. Their founding documentation is the basis for the acceptance of that idea. They don’t care how many times you listen to Imagine its not going to change their 1 track minds. I won’t bother getting into the whole matter of the subject with you, I’m sure AV has before and you are just too blind and stupid to get it because you are stupid moron. Anyway have a nice day.
And Av just keep your "balless" to your self.
Abe, complaining about some nebraskan neo-nazi's spelling problem is the least of it.
Remember how the retard actually thought the AG would be concerned?
Now they are watching him!
Chet isn't interested in facts. They merely get in the way of his antisemitic agenda.
Like Karin, you can't reason with hate mongers like Chet.
Chet is rambling like a lunatic, isn't he?
Hi again Mr. Lies and Mr. Abe Not the Babe Foxman,
OK, now let me get this straight. There is a "subtle difference" you claim. And being "anti-semitic" is being racist towards a "people" rather than their religion, that being Judaism in this case. OK, so they just happen to be Jewish but it's really their "peopleness" that anti-semites are racist against. HUH? Because you see Mr. Lies there really are people out there who are anti-semitic, that is, they don't like Jews because they are Jews and I really wouldn't want people to get all mixed up who might be reading what you have to say. Also, the fact of the matter is that "semetic" as YOU claim, is related to a language group which ACCORDING TO QUALIFIED SOURCES INCLUDES THOSE WHO SPEAK ARABIC. Remember Mr. Lies, you are COUSINS, you being the sons and daughters of Isaac and them being the sons and daughters of Jacob. Wow, wouldn't the God of Abraham be happy with the way you ANTI-SEMITES talk about your cousins. Seems like one of you, YOU, are claiming to be your father's favorite. Is this true Mr. Lies?
Oh, and Mr. Lies, there's a little documentary over on google video titled, "Zionism and Herzl" where Herzl is quoted DIRECTLY along with several other of the zionist founding fathers talking not so nicely about their own brothers and sisters, Orthodox Jews. Could you watch that little film Mr. Lies and get back to us about how these brave founding fathers refused to save Orthodox Jews from the Holocost when given the chance because those Orthodox Jews didn't approve of what they were doing. Gosh, they even called the Orthodox Jews "scum". I'd really appreciate that as it would lead to some very interesting conversation considering you call Desert Peace a "self-hating Jew". Just what is that Mr. Lies? I don't think Desert Peace hates himself or anything about his Judaism. In fact, it's YOU and Zionism he seems to have the problem with. I think he might have a problem with seeing how you are so downright grumpy and condascending 99% of the time. Just like I Mr. Lies have a REAL problem with Christian Zionists as a Catholic (oh, and by the way, Catholics were around a whole lot longer than those loony-tunes who just happened to appear in the 1800's, lucky enough for you and your buddies)
And just so we are on the same page here Mr. Lies, I have no desire whatsoever to debate religion with you because as long as you are a peaceful individual loving your neighbor as yourself I have NO problem with you.
Mr. Lies, one last question, just WHAT do you want Karin, Chet and Desert Peace to do? I don't think you've done a single thing to endear yourself to anyone reading your comments so I was just wondering what your intentions are. You know, do you want some kind of peaceful resolution to your discord or do you just get off on reeking some kind of sadistic havoc which REALY does not reflect well on the religion you claim as your own. "Just Wondering" as I do often when I run into seemingly nasty people and having many dear Jewish friends who are NOTHING like you at all.
PS. Living in Florida is great, but maybe you'd like to go live in Israel where so many of them think American Jews cause WAY to much trouble for those who really have a stake in gaining a peaceful resolution. I don't know, just hoping you might somehow figure out that you aren't getting ANY point across accept for sheer meaness.
Fortunately, nobody really cares what your particular definitions amount to. You haven't the credentials to specify any definitions.
the fact remains that antisemitism is a word coined by a German social scientist to define the hatred of Jews as a people, rather than the practice of Judaism.
I'm sure that God is not pleased with the behavior of the Arab people. Who would be? A hate-monger such as yourself? Or an antisemite such as yourself?
As Herzl died many years before the latest wave of European antisemitism culminated in the Holocaust, I'm sure you knew that he had nothing to do with not rescuing anyone.
As for the foilbles of early zealous political zionists, it is not for me to praise or condemn them based on a little piece of contrived propaganda that so easily led you to your hatred.
There will never be a peaceful resolution to the Arab-jew conflict until the Arabs decide they want a peaceful resolution. As long as they support suicide bombers and Hamas and Hezbullah, they are opting for genocide as a solution. That path will lead them to their own demise.
Unlike neo-nazis like chet and karin, I do not fear nor need to moderate the comments on my blog. Even though anonymous idiots insist on lying here.
Wait a minute Mr. Lies. I am simply repeating verbatim what you have said yourself AND giving various dictionary definitions. So, please explain to us sir just what it is about your definition of anti-semiotism that makes sense. What is it about the (Jewish) people which is despised. Oh go ahead Mr. Lies and try to say it is some kind of "jealousy" and I will come right back at you and let you know in no uncertain terms that what you say is an anti"people" agenda is VERY much connected to the fact that the Jews have been blamed for killing Christ and not accepting him as the Messiah. THAT Mr. Lies is where anti-semitism began Mr. Lies and by the way that is a VERY wrong idea in the first place because the so called mistakes of your forefathers have absolutely NOTHING to do with what you as an individual choose today. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. And Mr. Lies, I did NOT say it was Herzl himself who would not rescue the Jews from the Holocost. I said it was the founding fathers who created the state of Israel who did this. Watch the documentary sir before you go calling me names and twisting what I said. I could NOT CARE LESS that you are Jewish Mr. Lies because the truth be known almost all of my daughter's friends who is half ARAB are Jewish. So Mr. Lies you are full of it. It is your political views Mr. Lies which myself and others find so distasteful because you have ONLY portrayed yourself as a mean-spirited individual who gets off on harassing people and making up absolute stories about them. And Mr. Lies, why shouldn't they block you? You are NOT a pleasant person by any means whatsoever and have made NO attempt at rational conversation. On the contrary, the ONLY thing you have done with these individuals is call them nasty names. Do you honestly think that your playground name-calling and saying people are "ugly" is a way to portray yourself as a Jew? You don't even have the brains to try to discuss matters. You'd rather take the short-cut and kill the messenger rather than address the message which you have NO means to address other than to twist it. And Mr. Lies, I will lurk here until you decide to stop harassing my friends pure and simple. Got that one Mr. Lies. You are nothing more than mean person who is a DISGRACE to the religion you claim to profess.
It is antisemitism, not anti-semitism nor anti-Semitism. there is no such thing as semetism so the word can not be hyphenated.
It is not up to me to come up with a logical reason why the Jews are hated, as there is no logical reason.
Herzl is the only name you gave when you refered to the founding fathers.
I will continue to force your neo-nazi friends to look at the truth, even though it makes them cringe and curse their parents.
And there is nothing you can do to stop it.
Mr. Ibrahamovlies, why do you think that it is a good thing to continue to mince words and spellings in order to make a point. I do not care how you spell it, hyphenate it or pronounce it, I am talking about that thing you always say that I and others understand to be racism against Jews simply because they are Jews. And sir, for once you got it right, there is NO reason to hate Jews just "because". In fact there is no reason to hate ANYONE just "because" that includes another form of hate exemplified in thinking you are favored by our creator just BECAUSE.
Mr. Lies, you are only forcing Karin, Chet, Desert Peace and all of us to look at the TRUTH that you are a hateful human being who is a TOTAL disgrace to the Judaic faith. Why would they curse THEIR parents because you are hateful? Don't you CARE that you are a disgrace to your religion?
Why do I say this Mr. Lies? Because I have MANY Jewish friends who are NOT like you whatsoever. In fact Mr. Lies, our local Rabii had a fatour and invited the local Moslems and Christians to attend. Gee Mr. Lies, have you EVER heard that you can catch a whole lot more flies with sugar than with vinegar? Why on EARTH would you think you are doing Israel any good with your behavior? Mr. Lies, being a bully and making a nuisance out of yourself is NO way to make a point other than the point that you are a bully and a nuisance. So Mr. Lies, if you actually took the time to realize that those of us who believe the Palestinians have a right to peace NOW and there is NO reason for you to think you are better than them because YOU say so there just might be a chance for some healthy converstion that would benefit everyone concerned. Think about it Mr. Lies. The ball is in YOUR court. And no Mr. Lies, there is nothing I can do to make you behave, that one is ENTIRELY up to you. Think about it.
It is obvious that you do not care about the proper use and definition of words. If it doesn't agree with your antisemitic outlook and agenda, out they go!
You, the Bavarian Nazi, and the Nebraskan Neo-Nazi will wake up one day and wonder how you could be so stupid and so deceived.
Until then, I'll just have to keep force feeding you three the truth.
When I want to catch flies, I'll try sugar. Is tht what you three are doing, attracting vermin to your cause? You've suceeded. You have more baby murderers then you can shake a stick at.
The Palestinians have no rights that they can achieve by suicide bombing. They have no rights that they can achieve by the policy of genocide.
OK Mr. Lies, let's try this one again since once again you are feebly attempting to mince words again.
For conversation purposes would it be ok if we just use the most basic of definitions for anti-Semitism? (Note, I am spelling this word per the Britannica dictionary if that's OK with you)
Here goes: Hostility toward or prejudice against Jews or Judaism.
Now that we've got that one straight I would like to break it down.
First: hostility towards Judaism. Mr. Lies, I have already explained to you adnauseum that I have absolutely no hostility towards your religion and that I have MANY dear friends who are WONDERFUL people. Now, are they wonderful because of their religion or are they wonderful people who just happen to be Jewish? Well, since these people are practicing Jews who have shared with me their deep and abiding faith in our creator I will most definitely say they are wonderful on both counts. I am not a Jew Mr. Lies and do NOT claim to know in any detail about the Judaic faith so let's just leave it at that because as I have stated over and over, it is BEHAVIOR TOWARDS OTHER LIVING CREATURES which is the defining hallmark of a person's character. Let's just get this one straight too since I think it would be a good starting point for a more beneficial conversation amongst the different parties here. NO ONE HAS EVER SAID ONE SINGLE THING AGAINST THE JEWISH FAITH.
Now, I am a Catholic as you know. That is MY business and I expect it to be respected by other people just like I respect the fact that others have different faiths. IF I were to act extremely hateful to others and do everthing possible to harrass them woould it be because I am Catholic or would it be because I am a hateful person? Well, since the starting point here SHOULD be respect for each other's faith since that is a MUCH better premis for dialogue, it would be my BEHAVIOR since NO WHERE in my faith does it tell me to act in this manner. On the contrary, it tells me to be loving JUST LIKE your supposed faith does. So basically Mr. Lies, I would appreciate it HIGHLY if you would stop attacking people for their faith because Mr. Lies, that IS assuming someone is "wrong" from the get go and there is therefor NO ROOM for understanding. Mr. Lies, is there any room in your schemata of life to allow for persons of other faiths to be equal to you? I am just wondering because as someone who has stated OVER AND OVER it is not faith but BEHAVIOR which counts I would just like to know. And Mr. Lies, let me take it one step further, I couldn't care less if you were and atheist or worshipped chickens, it DOES NOT MATTER as long as you are able to behave compassionately towards your fellow human beings. THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
And Mr. Lies, suicide bombing is WRONG. Mr. Lies KILLING ANY OTHER CHILD OF GOD IS WRONG no matter HOW you do it. Got that one straight Mr. Lies. And Mr. Lies, Israel can achieve NO PEACE by continuing to kill Palestinians. Their lives are every bit equal to yours whether YOU say so or not. So back to square one Mr. Lies, do you wish to gain something beneficial from your conversation with others or do simply wish to harrass? Because every single person who you are attacking want nothing more than peace for EACH party in this conflict, they have said so, they have done so.
Would you like to start playing nice yet? And. Mr. Lies, STOP calling people "baby murderers" because all you need to do is look at the statistics as to how many "babies" have been killed and by whom. But guess what Mr. Lies, I have no evidence that you have killed Palestinian babies so what good would it do to call you a baby murderer? Bottom line, do YOU wish to have a productive conversation towards some mutual understanding which could result in at least a few people on the internet of different faiths aggreeing to commonalities of humanitarianism or do YOU simply wish to cause trouble?
No, the spelling used by Britannica dictionary is not okay.
The word, from the german who coined it, is antisemitism. As there is no such thing as semitism, it should not be hyphenated. It is obvious the the hyphenation confuses you. But it is also obvious that most things requiring intelect confuse you.
I'm sorry that I have to keep forcing this truth down your resisting throat but antisemites such as yourself, Karin, Desert Schmuck and chet, have no other way of learning the truth.
Of course you are hostile to judaism. Zionism is an intergral part of it. If you hate zionism, then you hate judaism.
Your espoused hatred encourages Islamic radicals (and muslim who supports suicide bombing is a radical Islamist) ro recruit more suicide bombers. And as over 60% of Palestinians are radical as such, you encourage them in the belief that their are enough western wingnuts out there to support their genocidal mania.
Play nice with genocidal maniacs and their supporters such as yourself?
You really are stupid, aren't you?
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Mr. Ibrahamov, no one appreciates being called "stupid" myself included. I would appreciate it if you would address me in a more respectful manner and I will do the same towards you. I would also appreciate it if you would refrain from mincing spellings and hyphenations because it is the definition which is pertinent to this conversation and since I have already informed you that I have MANY Jewish friends as well as does my half-Arab daughter, I would appreciate it if you would stop calling me an antisemite. (I hope to God I spelled it right that time)_Mr. Ibrahamov, there is no inherent problem between Jews and Muslims or Arabs (who could be Christian) unless one of the parties chooses there to be a problem. Now over on another thread you defined Zionism as a nationalistic movement to restore the Jewish homeland. Mr. Ibrahamov, could you please answer these questions: What was supposed to happen to the Palestinians who lived on this land for generations when Mr. Herzl created his master plan? Why is it that you have a right to uproot them? Do you believe this land was given to you by Yahweh? Do you feel you were chosen and that this chosen position will be in place forever no matter what you do? What was supposed to happen when Israel was created to the OTHER parties involved at the loosing end? And just to add Mr. Ibrahamov, I have already explained to you also that I have hundreds of Muslim family members as well as friends and NOT ONE of them approves of suicide bombing. Let me tell you this one too sir, my ex's grandfather's business partner and best friend was Jewish. All was VERY peaceful in Bahrain where they lived between the Muslim and Jewish community until Israel was declared a state and almost one million Palestinians became refugees in the Nakba. It was THEN that things REALLY went south Mr. Ibrahamov. Do you want to know what happened? My ex's grandfather took him and his family into his home for protection from the mobs which were WRONG and arranged safe passage to France. They remained best friends and business partners (exporting/importing) til death. But that man could not go to Israel and did not WISH to go there because he was an Orthodox Jew and did NOT support this movement called Zionism. BTW, did you bother to watch that film "Herzl and Zionism"? because if you did I have another one for you over on You Tube titled Judaism vs Zionism. Those are REAL people Mr. Ibrahamov, REAL Jews who do NOT support Zionism just like the many Jewish friends and two rabiis who I personally know. So Mr. Ibrahamov, if you could watch this video (sorry it's 57 minutes) and respond to my above questions in a civil manner I would appreciate it. Also sir, PLEASE for the sake of your own behavior reflecting on your faith, STOP calling people names and instead if you have a difference of opinion say so in a more dignified manner.
I don't care what you appreciate. Few care what antisemites appreciate. If you wish to continue posting stupidity, you'll have to live with the label. Start posting with some inteligent thought and see what happens.
Regardless of how you post, i have not banned you nor removed your comments nor moderated the section. That is the task of neo-nazis like chet, karin, desert schmuck and their ilk.
Calling you or any other antisemite names is not a reflection of Judaism. it is merely a reflection of the disregard I hold for antisem,ites. Your failure to understand that helps fuel your ignorance and hate mongering.
Many racists state that they have black friends. You are no different then they.
By the way, all Jews who identify themselves, religiously, as Jews, are Zionists. Every single one.
And my name is not Mr. Ibrahamav. It is Ibraham Av.
Mr. Ibraham AV you might want to correct the way you have your own name spelled up where it says profile because there is NO SPACE between the Ibraham and the AV. Maybe just a mistake on your part or MAYBE it is just you trying to ONCE again resort to minutia in order to argue about ANYTHING.
Did you watch that video I suggested Mr. whatever your name is? Did you? Because your OWN defintion of zionism is
"the NATIONALISTIC movement to reinstate a homeland for the Jews". Mr. Ibraham AV I don't give a flippity flip what YOU say because YOU can say all you want but you do NOT speak for those Jews who do NOT support this Nationalistic POLITICAL movement. You see Mr. so and so, you CANNOT make them go poof in the night just because you want to. WATCH THE VIDEO and then tell me they are not JEWS and that they are Zionists because ALL they have to say about you and your ilk is that they are DEAD SET AGAINST A MAN_MADE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE OF ISRAEL. Mr., you cannot even begin to answer the above questions because you have been cornered for the racist evil person you are. In fact Mr AV, you aren't even a decent Zionist you are just one big asshole.
I am not about to change anything based on your input.
Why on Earth would a watch a propaganda film suggested by an antisemite? Next you'll ask me to view a video on Mohammed writen by hamas.
The definition of zionism is the desire of the Jewish people to return to their homeland, now known as Israel. Zionism is the nationalistic movement of the Jewish people.
All Jews, who identify themselves as Jews, are zionists. They all believe in a movement to return to Israel.
The questions you ask have no basis in reality. Why bother formulating answrs for your nonsense?
No reason at all.
Fact is that a lot of messianic-inspired (i.e. not relying on humans for the establishment of the future ideal Jewish State) non-Zionist Jewish movements (who still look forward to the Bais HaMikdash, Moshiach, and "Next Year in Jerusalem the Rebuilt") punch far above their weight in communal Jewish discourse. But they still face Zion to pray, and pray daily for the rebuilding of the temple, speedily in our days. I am a refugee from such a movement, having jettisoned the anti-Zionist ideology the same way European Socialism jettisoned me.
Mr. AV, the video I asked you to watch is of Orthodox Jews speaking for themselves. Are you going to try to say that they have been set up by Islamofascists or some other such nonsense? What about all the Jewish rabiis who speak against the formation of the state of Israel Mr. Av? Are you trying to say that they don't exist Mr. Av? And as for my other question sir, what were the Palestinians supposed to do after your buddies declared a state and forced them to leave the lands they had been living on for generations. Mr. Av, the answer to this question IS the determining factor in just what sort of human being you are. So give it your best shot Mr. Av and you might want to include what you THINK should have been the Palestinian response to this occurance because I would really like to know what you think.
Oh and just a response to Eurosabra, praying for the temple to be rebuilt and facing towards it to pray is a FAR cry from taking action to do so and brutally displacing another people. Because you see, those people don't think it is Godly to treat other humans in that fashion because their faith tells them so. Think and pray for all you want but DON'T cross the line towards forcing the hand of God because check it out, the Torah says those who do so will pay dearly for their actions.
They are not Orthodox Jews. Orthodox Jews are Zionists who are proud tht Israel exists as the homeland of th Jews and exists as a refuge for Jews everywhere.
The cult that you mistakenly refer to as orthodox comprise of less than .1% of the Jewish people.
And even these Jews are zionists.
You just don't undersatnd the definition.
The palestinians were not forced to leave any place just because the state of israel came into being. Those forced to leave because of violent actions they commited against the state once the Arabs had declared war on Israel.
It appears that the hand of God helped push the arabs onto the land of their brothers.
No Mr. Av, the Palestinians were not pushed into the arms of their Arab brothers by the "hand of God". They were pushed out of their homes by the guns and knives of Haganah and Irgun.
This is what you call the "hand of God"?
It is the hand of a dark evil force which speaks nothing but superiority and violence about other fellow human beings who are every bit the same children of our creator as you and your racist ilk.
And Mr. Av, you may not speak for others who do not agree with you. You may think you can make them go away by denying their existance but you cannot. There will be a day of reckoning for all those who use the name of our creator for these violent purposes Mr. Av. And just so you know Mr. Av, I am referring to all those of your kind who are the most dark-hearted people in existance. It was ZIONISM which began this violent cycle and it is ZIONISM which is evil to it's very core.
You don't know if the 'hand of God' was involved or not, do you? You don't know that the acts of the Arabs in the land didn't force the 'hand of God'.
That being said and sinking into your dim-witted brain, you may now realize that I can state in generalities what 99.9% of Jews believe about Zionism.
Why don't you try answering my questions from above Mr. Av. Your answers will certainly be revealing as to what is in your soul, ie, that God helps you Zionists make refugees out of other human beings because like a human, he plays favorites. Personally, I cannot fathom anyone buying this load of crap.
And. Mr. Av, you think Jews against Zionism (not the organization by that name but ALL those Jews who do not support Zionism) only account for .01% of Jews?
Think again you desperate person.
Most of the Jewish refugees of the 1948 war came from the Orthodox Ashkenazi and Sephardi (with a Karaite minority) communities of the Old City of Jerusalem's Jewish Quarter. ALL of the indigenous Orthodox Jewish communities of the mixed towns (Safed, Tiberias, Nabi Samwil) came under attack by Arab militias bent on their annihilation and had to be rescued by the Haganah. Except Hebron. There was no one to rescue in Hebron: the Arabs had already expelled everyone in 1929.
Thank you euro.
Mr anonymous really has no concept of the history of the region. He is propelled by his blind hatred.
Not .01% but 0.1%. The secular Jews against zionism do not identify themselves as Jews religiously, but Jews culturally.
Those few NK who oppose political zionism are still zionists. They pray 3 times a day for the resurection of the temple on the holy mount, meaning that the dome of the rock must be destroyed. Pretty heady. I say leave the mosques alone.
Oh nay nay Mr. Av, I happen to know TWO rabbis personally, got that TWO right here in my hometown which is not in a highly Jewish area who are 100% against Zionism. And they have members of their synagogue, and they have rabbi friends who have other members of their synagogues and gee, they meet with Muslims here in the greater metropolitan area of my county and gee, they meet with rabbis elsewhere and you know what Mr. Av, they all agree. Hm. And you know what they say about you people Mr. Av, they say you are much mistaken in your beliefs and that it is YOU guys who are the danger to peace. You just cannot make them go away Mr. Av and Euro.
And by the way, you still have not answered my above questions.
Oh, and I'm a Mrs.
I know you guys might be grieving a bit today over things the way they went yesterday with your Christian Zionist leader being turned into a lame duck so get a good nights rest.
Ciao.
You do not know two Rabbis who are against zionism. Sorry, but you are just lying.
Now Jews meet with Muslims all of the time. And if they are in a muslim country, and they bow and scrape enough, the muslims let them live.
It is obvious that you live in an area where Jews fear for their lives from fruitcakes nd antisemites such as yourself.
Whose christian zionist leader was turned into a lame duck?
Mr. Av, tsk tsk. Oh yes I do know two rabbis who absolutely do not support zionism. They both say that the occupation must end and end now, and that the recruitment from Jews from around the world is an enemy of peace. They live in quite a safe community and since you can tell approximately where I live, you know that is in the LA area where there is a HUGE Jewish population, but I live in a suburb. But Mr. Av, they have been part of the ecumenical organization of Jews, Christians and Muslims here who are working dilligently towards a just peace.
And Mr. Av, you STILL have not answered my questions.
Oh I have a link for you if you are interested. Ready?
http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/
Mr. Av, YOUR Christian Zionist President buddy was turned into a lame duck today. Don't you watch the news?
No, you do not know two Rabbis who oppose zionism. You are still lying.
If they live in Los Angeles, then they must be "Jews for Jesus" and they are not Jewish.
You have not asked any specific questions.
By the way, the Jews involved in http://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org are zionists. They just oppose certain actions of the Israeli government but they are committed to the State of Israel being a refuge of the Jewish people and being the homeland of the Jews.
As you live in LA, it must be you who has a christian zionist lame duck leader.
1. What was supposed to happen to the Palestinians who lived on this land for generations when Mr. Herzl created his master plan?
2. Why is it that you have a right to uproot them?
3. Do you believe this land was given to you by Yahweh?
4. Do you believe you were chosen and that this chosen position will be in place forever no matter what you do?
5. What was supposed to happen when Israel was created to the other parties at the loosing end.
6. How do YOU as a Zionist expect the Palestinians to have behaved once they were uprooted and later occupied?
7. Did you watch these to videos, "Herzle and Zionism", and "Zionism not Judaism"
Furthermore Mr. Av, there is a MAJOR differnece between being committed to Israel as a homeland for Jews and what you are as a Zionist. I am an American as are you. Is America only for "Americans"? Are the Indians welcome here to live EQUALLY or should they be kept on reservations? One can live in a place and NOT take over that place to make it exclusive for themselves. One can have a spiritual"committment" WITHOUT dehumanizing other human beings and slaughtering them to make way for your own takeover. And no mr. Lies, these are NOT Jews for Jesus. They are RABBIS, who are committed to ecumenical outreach and mutual peace.
That INCLUDES their utter condemnation of the Zionist crimes against the Arab Christians and Muslims. That INCLUDES their statements of condemnation of the creation of an exclusive state which they say is NOT Judaism but a political force.
And Mr. Lies, you live in Florida, last time I checked, that's part of the United States. From all that you have stated here and on other blogs we know just how you feel about Muslims in general. You have simply demonized them to fit your own agenda. That Sir, is further endorsed by your Christian Zionist buddies who think that Israel needs to be an exclusive Jewish state in order for the rapture to come. Better watch out though, because if you don't convert to Christianity, THEIR Christianity, you are DEFINITELY going to be one of the less fortunate ones.
It does not matter that you adhere to their philosophy, because you have used them and welcomed their support in your belief that you have a common enemy, the Muslims. The war in Iraq is part of the overall Zionist scheme and it is the joining up of your own Likud party and the neocons, yes, check it out Mr. Lies, it was AIPAC and Likud who lobbied non-stop to form and implement this plan which has gotten MY country into the mess we are in now. So Mr. Lies, YOUR buddies, the neocons, were sent a MAJOR message this Tuesday. QUACK!!!
1. Who knows? We know what Herzl probably desired, but so what?
2. i didn't uproot them. They uprooted for several reasons. Some left in fear, some were forced out because they acted as fifth columns.
3. Who is yahweh?
4. Torah says we were chosen from among all people to have a covenent with God. Certainly wasn't anything special about us to warrant it. Don't know why you are so concerned unless you're jealous.
5. They were to live in peace. Just like when you lose an election. You don't declare war and call for genocide as the Arabs did.
6. The Palestinians basically uprooted themselves. By losing war after war, they lost what little land left which was occupied by the Egyptians and Jordanians who treated them like garbage.
7. Why watch antisemitic propaganda?
If you are an american, then your Christian zionist leader was sent a message this Tuesday.
Again, you do not know any Rabbis who are not Zionists.
I have not demonized the palestinians, the majority which support suicide bombers and a genocidal campaign against the Jews.
They have demonized themselves.
1. I was not asking what Herzl was thinking, I was asking what you think.
2. No one said you uprooted them because I have no idea how old you are or if you were personally involved. Some left in fear? Fear of what Mr. Av?
Was it all those Haganah and Irgun massacres taking place in Palestinian villages which drove them out? Are you familiar with the word "nakba"?
3. Who is yahweh? Well, correct me if I am wrong, but I said this because of my own Catholic background of what our Bible says is the Judaic name for God which I am aware you do not spell completely so I apoligize if I used the incorrect term but I think you are mincing words again.
4. No, I am not jealous Mr. Av. I feel sorry for people who think they are God's favorite because as a Catholic I believe all people are the equal children of our creator.
5. Wait a minute, there was no election. There was a deliberate driving out of the land of an indigenous people, the Palestinians.
The occupied territories have been held in an illegal beligerant occupation with international laws holding the occupier to account not having been met repeatedly.
6. Land gained by war is illegal occupation. Period. Yes the Egyptians and Jordanians did not treat them well, but the majority of uprooted Palestinians hold Jordanian citizenship, the remaining are without a nationality, awaiting Israel's withdrawal from their land.
7. It is not propaganda sir, they are Jews speaking. Are they not your brethern fellow Jews? What are you afraid of?
You reside here in the States too Mr. Av, What are you, a dual citizen or a straight Israeli or perhaps something else? You hide behind a pseudonym and lie about your whereabouts and I use the tag "annonymous" because you are such a nasty person. Elsewhere I use my first name freely but not with you sir because as was said by another poster, I use it to protect your attracction to me elsewhere, wishing to take you on one on one without getting other decent people involved. Why do I wish to do this you might wonder? Because you and your ilk have taken MY country down a road of complete inhumanity to another people.
Mr. Av, I know two Rabiis who have said what I said they said. Period. They are very decent god-fearing people who are NOT vengeful persons such as yourself. They reach out their hands in peace Mr. Av because that is what they do as religious persons. And Mr. Av, don't even go there with the suicide bomb bit because none of those who you have sought to harass on their blogs support this and have said so adamantly. Just think, if even 1% of the Palesitian population which is several million actually participated in this horrendous tactic there would be 80,000 of them coming after Israel strapped with bombs. Think about it Mr. Av before you make such stupid statements to support your inhumanity by painting an entire population with a statement which does not apply. Zionism dehumanized them Mr. Av, because it was YOU who said they are less than you to begin with. You said so up above and then asked if I or others were jealous. Jealous of what?
You and your Zionist cohorts? Jealous of someone who thinks he's better than me? Give me a break!!
1. What was supposed to happen as far as I am concerned? The people tenent farming would have a better life.
2. The Arab massacres did not drive out the Jews. Do you think Jews are braver then Arabs?
3. Your Catholic background is not instructive as to an understanding of Judaism. No wonder you have so many misconceptions.
4. I don't think anyone cares about your feelings. No one ever said 'chosen' meant better. That is your own jealousy speaking.
5. The Arabs living in the area were not deliberately driven out. Exceptions were those arabs acting as fifth columnists. As you have invoked International law, in that there is no occupation. Israel merely legally controls land while awaiting negotiations of new boundaries, IAW UN resolutions.
6. Land gained by defense against those bent on genocide is quite legal. The relevant UN resolution demands negotiations to set new boundaries. Jordan is a palestinian state. 70% of Jordanians are Palestinians.
7. Your definition of propaganda is not in sync with the rest of the world.
Hide behand a pseudonym? Ibraham Av is my name. Lie about my whereabouts? Exactly when have I told you where I am?
I have taken your country nowhere. The moral people of your nation (Which obviously doesn't include you) support Israel. They reject the palestinian advocates of Genocide. They reject the palestinian advocates of suicide bombing. They reject you.
The palestinian people have demonized themselves. Moral Americans reject you and what you stand for.
Funny what your jealousy had lead you to. All because you are upset that God did not chose you. You poor, poor baby.
I've got to hand it to you Av you are a patient man. Who could be bothered to read such boring and silly comments and respond? You are dedicated to trying to put the truth of your convictions out there. I find I’m getting quite bored of the whole blogging experience. As eurosabra posted the other week trying to talk sense with the racists who have this whole twisted political and world view is a Sisyphean task.
Are you in Florida? I think I have your email from a post you made. I’ll be there in a few weeks for a couple of days before going on a cruise. Perhaps we can get together for coffee and to have a few laughs.
God did not choose me Mr. Av?
Now you have said it all and truly revealed the extent of your sickness.
God created me Mr. Av, just as he did every single human being here on earth, INCLUDING THE PALESTINIANS.
God does not play favorites Mr. Av. God asks for us to respect and to love him through loving each other. You are absolutely the most clueless inhumane son of a bitch I think I have ever come across. But you know what, I will not go away from you because those words you have spoken in this conversation with me here concerning other children of our creator will come back to haunt you one day Mr. Av.
You are one sick sick man and I suggest you wash your soul with whatever it takes to ever have a chance of anything more than your own evil coming to roost on your doorstep. You reap what you sew Mr. Av, and what you sew is pure hatred. Do not bother replying, I will NOT be back.
Yes, God did not chose you and you are very upset. No one has ever said you are not a creation of God, and unlike what Arab islamic fascists state, no one has stated that you decended from apes and pigs.
But you are not a moral, thinking being. You are a fool driven by jealousy of the Jews.
It appears you wish to roost at my doorstep. Good thing for me that I am among God's chosen people.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASJqRUJ3A3W
Sorry, but it is not available. i gues youtube thinks your propaganda is worthless.
Outed as a racist Pig
Yes, it seems that you were.
HEHE Mr. Lies, you shouldn't be so self-explanatory.
Telling the truth about you and your kind is fairly self explanatory.
The truth is easy to tell. That is why your kind censor their blogs.
Mr. Lies, you have something seriously wrong in your thinking process I hate to tell you because it is just such a shame to waste the life given to you to attack other people rather than doing something more positive. I'll say a novena on your behalf that you might come to your senses.
That an antisemite such as yourself makes such a claim is proof of the opposite.
Exposing the likes of Desert Schmuck, Karin, the bavarian Nazi, and Chet, the Nebraskan neo-nazi, is no waste of time.
But their time is wasted as they censor their blogs and slow the free flow of information between such antisemites.
Who is lieing here you ignorant liar.
More of your general pathos exhibiting itself. No time is wasted throwing out junk mail to get to the needed bills and correspondance. Your nonsense is simply MEANT to go directly to the shredder because it is non-productive. Once again I ask, where are all those Jewish friends of yours thanking you for all your hard work? Don't try counting the petaless flower, she claims she is an atheist so she has rejected her faith just as you have done with your behavior. Pitiful.
You would be accused of lying, if you stated anything other then the nonsense you keep repeating. You have brought no facts to the discussion, just your vague feelings and how you will believe anything as long as you have friends. Such a sad life you lead.
Why does the truth need thanks? Umakill, rizzo, and desertschmuck thrive on the echoes of their hatred. But the truth does not need such affirmation.
So I guess you're the tree that fell in the forest that no one heard huh? Well, that works for trees but not for ideas and people. Because you see mr. lies, people are social beings, NOT trees. Watch out for the lumber truck coming.
Every one heres me. Notice how few signatures there are on mary rizzo's latest racist petition?
Because the Truth matters.
Not to antisemites such as yourself, but to real people with real concerns.
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