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Desert Schmuck again provides nonsense to support Islamic Fascism
Why did the Palestinians fail to establish an independent state before 1948, and what was the impact of that failure in the years that followed, down to the present? These questions are important, first, because Palestinian history must be properly understood if we are to comprehend the present, and because this history has significance in its own right.
In the West this is a hidden history (As in - Who Cares?), one that is obscured by the riveting and tragic narrative of modern Jewish history. In a sense, the history of the Palestinians has disappeared (Like it ever existed) under the powerful impact of the painful and amply recounted story of the catastrophic fate of the Jews of Europe in the 20th century. However, achieving any serious understanding of the Middle East conflict requires comprehension of Palestinian history in its own terms, which includes but cannot be subsumed by Jewish and Israeli history. (But there is no distinct palestinian history. There is just an overall Arab history in which the palestinian region had a small insignificant part)
This effort is important for another reason: namely, to ascribe agency to the Palestinians, to avoid seeing them either as no more than helpless victims of forces greater then themselves, or alternatively as driven solely by self-destructive tendencies and uncontrollable dissension.
By contrast, there is no established, authoritative Palestinian master narrative, although there is a popular Palestinian nationalist narrative that includes its share of myth. Some of the myths worth debunking in the Palestinian version of events include mistaken and simplistic ideas relating to the Zionist movement and Israel and their connections with the Western powers; the relation of Zionism to the course of modern Jewish history; notably a failure to understand the central place of the Holocaust in this history; and the reductionist view of Zionism as no more than a colonialist enterprise-it was both this and a national movement. Deconstructing such misconceived notions on both sides will be crucially important to an eventual reconciliation of the two peoples.
The Palestinian nationalist narrative is, in any case, virtually unknown outside the Arab world (and is contested by scholars and governments within it).
That is it in a nutshell. Nobody knows it and no authoritative Arab Palestinian source agrees with it.
In other words, the palestinian narrative is a fairy tale! And doesn't the truth piss off Desert Schmuck!
posted by Ibrahamav at 5:23 PM
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Fear.
There you go again Mr. Ibrahamav, calling people names as in "schmuck"
Did your mother never teach you any manners when it comes to this kind of talk? Did you ever take a debate course in high school or college that taught you the educated manner in which to conduct a debate and address your advesary? My my Mr. Ibrahamav and cohorts, you are preaching to the choir who agrees with your hatefullness in your posts and only showing yourselves as uneducated debaters to anyone else who might drop by for a glance. The Palestinian narrative is a myth? Try basing your claims on the writings of men of your own faith if you want to come up with an "in-house" legitimizer of aggression and disposession of another people's land. May the Lord, the God of all three Abrahamic faiths, have mercy on your lost souls.
Why waste good manners on a fool who indulges in antisemitic rants?
My mother taught me not to suffer fools.
The Schmuckster himself admitted that there was no credible Palestinian narrative. But at the same time you conveniently forget that he castigated the Israeli narrative as "the country's nationalist mythology".
By the way, ther is only one Abrahamic faith, that is Judaism. Islam is but the druken nightmare of a pedaphile and Christianity is but a Jewish cult.
There you go again Mr. Ibrahamov, disrespecting other people's faiths. I have but the greatest respect for Judaism, Christianity AND Islam sir. It really gets the conversation off to a wrong start when you hit some one at what they hold dear. Care to start all over and talk in a more peaceful manner where there might be the chance of coming up with some solution agreeable to all the parties concerned? Gosh, I thought you wanted somehow to convince us you are right and it somehow doesn't make anyone want to come around to your arguement.
Your respect is meaningless while Islamic Fascists blow themselves up in the name of Allah in order to kill Jews and Christians.
The only solution desired by you and your fascist friends is islamic rule of the world.
Politely go screw yourself.
Mr. Ibrahamav, I am a bit concerned here. I was always told that Israel is the only true democracy in the Middle East and that they treat ALL of their citizens equally. As an American I have been influenced by those who tell me that Zionists are nice people who have a given claim to the land of Israel from God and that they suffered so much that they wish no one else to suffer, only have their own land where they can practice their faith and live in peace. I am speaking for myself, as a friend to no one in particuar other than anyone who is kind to others, why are you so bitter?
One more thing Mr. Ibrahamov, did I ever say I want Islam to rule the world? I really don't quite understand what you mean by this statement but just for the record, I believe in freedom of religion and as a Christian I lived very comfortably in the Middle East amongst Muslims and have many many Muslim friends. Mr. Ibrahamov, are you always this easy to get along with? Does your Judaic faith teach you kindness to others no matter what faith they are? I don't know, just wondering, because I have so many Jewish friends that aren't nearly as grumpy as you are.
Judaism does not teach kindness to those who rise up to kill you, no matter what their faith.
Whatever you were told is merely anecdotal information that you seem to be unable to comprehend. That is not my problem.
As an American, you have been inluenced by some one who is ignorant or told you a story for little children.
Not quite that same tale told by the PA to little children, that Allah wants you to die if it means killing Jews, but a story none the less.
That's funny, I've been told a story for little children. My daughter's father is Muslim. She heard stories of how to love one another from both of us, myself a Catholic and him a Muslim. Now of course he is not a militant nor is anyone else I know, HUNDREDS, (just on a personal level) But then again, they are not living under a brutal occupation nor have they lost their land and homes to others who feel they have a right to dispossess them. But as people of conscience they CERTAINLY empathize with the cause of the Palestinian people as do MANY Jews. Mr. Ibrahamov, you are one sick puppy full of some kind of malice which only could come from a sense of entitlement which means YOU sir, are the one with the problem because Mr. Ibrahamov, you and your ilk are NO better than any one else and in fact a much lower sub species of human who out of evil seeks to put others down. And also sir, Christianity believes in "just wars" of defense as does Islam. Your Zionism, NOT Judaism, is at the root of your problem because it is YOU who are the aggressors, stealing and pushing your way into a place of infamy for your unjust deeds.
Out of 1.5 Billion Muslims, you know literally hundreds who you do not believe are Islamic fascists. How wonderful that that anecdotal knowledge lets you sleep so peacefully.
The fact that 60% of Palestinian Islamic Arabs support suicide bombers doesn't phase you at all. Afterall, you know hundreds.
Zionism is the nationalistic movement of the Jewish people to re-establish their homeland. It is inherent to judaism. All Jews who profess to being Jews as a religious identity are zionists.
well ibrahamav, how do you explain Orthodox Jews who do not pledge allegiance to Zionism?
No Jew pledges allegiance to Zionism.
But all Jews, who identify themselves as Jews, religiously, are Zionists. There are no orthodox Jews who are not zionists.
therefore, nothing to explain to you.
Excuse me Mr. Ibrahamov, there you go speaking nonsense again. Have you never heard of Naturei Karta?
www.nkusa.org? An ORTHODOX Jewish organization. Or www.jewsagainstzionism.org, another ORTHODOX Jewish organization or
www.jewsnotzionists.org, ANOTHER ORTHODOX Jewish organization. So Mr. Irahamav, your bs would be much more affective if you once in a while decided it was better to tell the truth than to make up absolute lies. But, I don't think your mother taught you that rule of communication either. Back to preschool Mr. Ibrahamovlies,
where you can pout and come up with some other excuse for your sorry self.
The Jews of Naturei are zionists. You just have no idea what zionism is.
Are you lying? Or are you just an ignorant Islamic fascist? Or an ignorant neo-nazi?
regardless, every single solitary Jew who identifies himself as a Jew, religiously, is a zionist.
Zionism is an integral part of Judaism. Learn to live with the truth instead of putting your head in the dirt.
Mr. Ibahamovlies, could you please explain IN DETAIL what your definition of "zionism" is. Remember mr lies, you must be detailed and at the same time completely defend your statement that there are no Jews who are against the MAN MADE POLITICAL entity of said zionism. Come on now Mr. Lies, it might take some actual thinking on your part rather than just plagerizing other sites and then twisting them into pretzels to satisfy your own hunger for propaganda.
five days and counting your non-response. Maybe you're busy vacuuming up that moldy bagel under your brain, woops, couch.
He can't, He has no idea what zionism is.
By the way, zionism is the nationalistic movement of the restoration of the Jewish homeland.
Mr. Ibrahamov is it possible in your scheme of history to admit that other peoples at other times called the land of Israel/Palestine, whatever you want to call it, their homeland too? Is it possible in your scheme of history to admit that the Palestinians had been living on this land for thousands of years also as documented in archeological finds? And if you can come to that factual conclusion which indeed is fact, how do you propose there be some form of reconciliation between two competing forces claiming a land, ie one who has actually lived on the land for thousands of years and the other that had been living elsewhere for thousands of years. What sayeth you Mr. Ibrahamov? I mean actually Mr. Ibrahamov there were others claiming this land BEFORE God supposedly granted it to you as a gift. What about them Mr. Ibrahamov?
Oh, and Mr. Ibrahamov, are you aware that Israel is completely sidelining the Orthodox Jews because they don't think this whole nationalistic scheme is a blessed event? Just wondering. Also Mr. Ibrahamov, did you watch that documentary "Zionism and Herzl"where all the Zionist politicians were arguing for complete separation of church and state? I thought it would be a really good film to show to all those Christian/Zionists who think Israel is such a Jewish state. I don't know, it SURE is confusing. I just don't know what to think any more. But thanks for the dictionary definition. At least I know it is a nationalistic movement and not a religious one.
Sorry, but there are no archeological finds supporting your assertion that Palestinians lived in the area for thousands of years.
There is proof that Jews have lived there, continuously, for over 3000 years.
In Judaism, there is a tradition of debate that allows opposing sides to coexist in peace, unlike in Islam.
And Zionism is the nationalistic movement of the religious Jews.
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